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UPDATED: Nurses union complains about working conditions
VANCOUVER/CKNW (AM980)
Shane Woodford | Email news tips to shane.woodford@corusent.com
3/14/2013

Nurses are leaving BC's Childrens and Women's hospitals in droves according to the union.
 
BC Nurses Union President Deb McPherson says a number of concerns expressed for years by nurses at the hospitals are being ignored.

"We decided that maybe we needed to shine a little spotlight on what used to be the beacon of good employer relations in this province and has now become the least employer of choice. Nurses are flocking out of there because they do not get the respect and the hearing that they deserve and all they want is to be able to deliver safe care to those babies and those moms."

McPherson says scheduling is a big problem with nurses getting burnt out from working to much overtime or working while sick.

"In the labour and delivery at Women's we have lost 12 nurses since September of last year which was just after the independent report was tabled and none of its recomendations implemented to date and in the pediatric intensive care unit 19 nurses in the last six months. That is a problem."

McPherson says concerns expressed by the nurses are being ignored.

"It is about really listening to nurses and giving them a role in health policy participating in decisions about their working conditions. That the front line nurses should have a say in how much staff is on that unit based on how sick the people are and how nursing care they need and who is working that day and they should have a say not some manager who is not on the unit and comes from another site."

McPherson says nurses have clearly communicated their concerns

The Chief Operating Officer of the Provincial Health Services Authority says complaints from the nurses union are a "complete surpise."

Arden Crystal says in the case of Women's hospital there were legitimate issues but they have been, or are being, addressed.

"They are being addressed in good faith in collaberation with the union and with management and with the nurses so it is surprising to hear this come up again because we have been engaged in a lot of collaberative work with the union on this."

Crystal is denying nurses are leaving in droves from both Children's and Women's hospitals.

"There were 12 nurses that left that area last year and the majority left because of a mixture of maternity leaves, some retirements, and some staff that actually moved out of Vancouver. The turn over rates actually for BC Women's and for BC Children's are kind of in the range of four to five percent."

Crystal says those turn over rates are actually well below what is being seen in other health authorities around the province.

She adds nurses seem pretty happy "When we talk to some of the nurses on the floor most of them are quite satisfied with the work that has been done to date around the review and the recomendations and in fact one of those reomendations was to relook at our nursing model in order to put more resources at the front line and we in fact have done that."


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  1. michael_4092 posted on 03/14/2013 08:38 AM
    Complaining to the BC governemnt will get you nowhere.
    They don't care about patient conditions let alone working conditions and you know it.

    If they could, they would contract out nursing to new arrivals from the Phillipines at a cost of minimum wage. Oh boy, that would make for a healthcare circus.

    Patient conditions are sometimes deplorable with the cleaning contracts given to the lowest bidder years ago and you all know that as well.
    1. michael_4092 posted on 03/14/2013 08:38 AM
      @michael_4092 *government
    2. DenisL_3 posted on 03/14/2013 11:05 AM
      @michael_4092 Government is made up of people like you and I. They care but you cannot continue increasing the percentage of taxes to Health care. We are at 50% now. People complain when msa is increased. They do a great job with the dollars available. It could be better and I would like to see less managers but this would only make a small dent in savings. My visit to the hospital did not show a dirty hospital and it was one of the older ones. Nurses are well paid but the main problem is they want more say which would increase costs considerably.
  2. KellyS_2296 posted on 03/14/2013 09:07 AM
    The nurses' union is the only public sector union that I support because they get screwed, constantly. We have useless, bureaucratic offices being paid for with taxpayer/healthcare dollars when that money should be going towards more nurses. The number of nurses in this province needs to at least double in a very short period of time.
    1. basicdude posted on 03/14/2013 11:51 AM
      @KellyS_2296 This would be the same union that has been identified as rogue and has been kicked out of the Canadian Labour Congress and the BC Federation of Labour for raiding? THAT union?
    2. DougB_25 posted on 03/14/2013 02:25 PM
      @KellyS_2296 LOL!! Double the number of nurses.What the heck have you been smoking? Do you have any clue how much that would cost? Do you have a money tree? The only way we could afford to hire more nurses,is if each one of them came at a lower cost. It is funny that you said that though.On local radio last week a child care advocate was asked where the money would come from to pay for cheap day care.Get this. She said,and I kid you not,"take it from the health care budget".
      Wake up people.You are being "played" by these unions and special interest groups.They are all in bed with the NDP,and they all want MORE.Not for us.For themselves.The new theory in our public sector unions is that our tax dollars belong to the members of these union,and if we want to build anything in the way of infrastructure,we will have to pay for it with bridge tolls and user fees.
  3. commonsense posted on 03/14/2013 09:13 AM
    BUT before they take action, both the government and union, how many left? Where are the exit interviews?
    1. michael_4092 posted on 03/14/2013 09:26 AM
      @commonsense Anyone can request an exit interview. Do I have to sit through it? NOPE
  4. KenS_33 posted on 03/14/2013 09:17 AM
    It must be contract time again, The nurses have nothing to complain about. Exactly how much of our tax dollars do they want? Tired of McPherson's agenda.
    1. michael_4092 posted on 03/14/2013 09:27 AM
      @KenS_33 Moronic reply. New contract signed a couple of months ago. You obviously don't care about other's working conditions or your own if you have to go to hospital.
  5. more4u posted on 03/14/2013 10:29 AM
    Here we go again...... When I recently saw the "loudmouth" Ms. McPherson on TV I got shivers............nurses ignored, really ?? How could we??
    1. michael_4092 posted on 03/14/2013 11:04 AM
      @more4u Firstly, it's nice to see someone else being childish and rude with their comments today; welcome to the club!

      Secondly, why is she a loudmouth? Because she is the head of the nurse's union so that's whose head we get to see and hear from on the news? Who did you want to hear from? Someone who is not head of the union? Hmmm......Do you want Pat Sajack from Wheel of Fortune? ...don't answer that.
  6. 4645 posted on 03/14/2013 11:40 AM
    Obviously this is the start of the union's campaign supporting the NDP in the next election. The tv ads, similar to the one's on the air from the BCTF, will start showing up.

    The scary part for the taxpayers is after the election and if the NDP get in, all the pay back for the unions. It's not going to be cheap.
    1. SalV posted on 03/14/2013 01:06 PM
      @4645 I agree, its too bad the Liberals screwed us so bad for so long... now it seems to be payback time
    2. michael_4092 posted on 03/14/2013 02:04 PM
      @4645 Good! They DESERVE it, just like you deserve it.
  7. HankRK posted on 03/14/2013 11:45 AM
    So we hear about who left, but nothing on who was hired. The spin they give is that dozens have left, with no replacements, and that I find hard to believe. Sure they may need more staff, but be honest about what those numbers are.
    1. michael_4092 posted on 03/14/2013 02:05 PM
      @HankRK There are hundreds and hundreds of nursing postings moron.
      Use your fingers and google search the health authority jobs.

      Good LORD!!!!!!!!!!!
  8. DougB_25 posted on 03/14/2013 02:16 PM
    We might all be wise to wait for more details as this story unfolds.I see no reason to trust this union hack any more than a union hack from the BCTF.
    In this case,I say that because I heard a woman on the radio this AM say that turnover in those hospitals is quite low.She went on to say that they have lost more nurses lately.But not because of overwork or stress.A few left on maternity leave,for example.Others left when their families moved out of the lower mainland.And some just plain retired.
    I also think this union noise is about gettting the NDP in power.Just like most of the other ads that public sector unions are running on radio and TV these days.Good grief.One union almost accuses you of treason if you buy your beer at a beer and wine store,rather than a government store.I think we are all so distracted by the way government uses our tax dollars for political ads,that we are losing sight of how our public sector unions are doing the same thing.They call them "union dues".But when they are spend on political ads,they really are tax dollars.
    And,for what it's worth,I know a nurse who works a childrens hosiptal in Vancouver.And she loves her job.
    1. MichaelD_10 posted on 03/14/2013 03:19 PM
      @DougB_25 Yes this is how politics in Canada works. It troubles me a little how rabid the above comments are. Those in support of the NDP in the next election are rabid with little grasp on reality. Why do you all feel like victims.
  9. RichardF_4221 posted on 03/14/2013 04:09 PM
    For those who think throwing money at things will solve all our problems:

    Check Michael Campbell's comment from yesterday.

    http://moneytalks.net/upcoming-shows.html

    It's the top one.

    He says what I want to with much better wording.
  10. basicdude posted on 03/14/2013 04:43 PM
    "...the front line nurses should have a say in how much staff is on that unit based on how sick the people are and how nursing care they need and who is working that day...."

    Earth to Ms. Mcpherson... you just succinctly described a MANAGER'S job. It is not and never has been the UNION'S job to dictate operational requirements for ANY task. It is up to the manager to ensure resources are allocated and utilized in the most cost-effective manner possible, not the union's!

    No business nor responsible health authority would run based on people who happen to be working in a unit calling "whoever" "whenever" for "whatever" based on their whim... especially when that "whim" results in mega-overtime for the person called! That is absolutely the very definition of why managers exist!
    1. commonsense posted on 03/14/2013 06:16 PM
      @basicdude Also, they know exactly when and how many people will be sick? Unfortunately I have been to the ER a few times over the past few months with a family member. Out of the 5 times, once it was crazy busy. I expected it to be very busy, yet it was not. Talking to the nurse, I said it seems quite calm, and she said they never know when it will get busy but always have people on call when needed.
  11. BrentD_9510 posted on 03/14/2013 07:48 PM
    Thirty one nurse left over the last six months, can someone please find out how many we're hired during this period?
  12. SharonS_9 posted on 03/14/2013 10:58 PM
    I was a nurse at Women's Hospital for over 23 years. I am glad that someone has brought to light the toxic work environment there. I'm no fan of Deb McPherson but it is time the union has brought to light what a toxic environment nurses are working in there. People such as Ms Crystal have no idea what it is like on the front line there. They only hear from upper management who put lace and lipstick on any story to make it sound better. There is such heavy middle management and that's where the dollars get wasted. They all make more dollars than the nurses on the floor....I could write a book!
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