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Labour groups, childcare advocates rally for more affordable childcare
VANCOUVER/CKNW (AM980)
Martin MacMahon | Email news tips to martin.macmahon@corusent.com
3/9/2013

Labour groups and childcare advocates posted notes pushing for more affordable early childcare on Premier Christy Clark's constituency office.

Stephanie Smith with the BC Government and Service Employees' Union explains the reason for Saturday's protest.

"It's about promoting the 10 dollar a day plan which would provide accessible, affordable, publicly funded quality childcare for every family in British Columbia who wants or requires it."

Smith insists the issue of affordable childcare is a non-partisan issue that needs to be dealt with regardless of which party is in power.

 


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  1. ChrisM_18 posted on 03/09/2013 05:08 PM
    Wow - the province is deeply in debt, the budget isn't balamced - and this. Bunch is looking for major funding !! I think they are a bit out of touch ??
    1. RichardF_4221 posted on 03/09/2013 07:03 PM
      @ChrisM_18 and it's a non partisan issue, but they aim directly at the single mother premier with their protest.
  2. joes_2868 posted on 03/09/2013 05:35 PM
    Maybe Smith should go back to the root of the problem. There is a world economy crisis going on, but they don't seem to realize that. Okay for it to happen anywhere in the world, but is a crime if it happens in B.C.
    Smith should maybe note that B.C. does not exist in the Twilight Zone.
    1. Ken280 posted on 03/09/2013 07:38 PM
      @joes_2868 Root of the problem is the Liberal/Cons of the coalition, just piss poor financial managers with all the money they have spent on their pet projects and cost over runs at every turn! God Liberal/Cons of the coalition,when are you going to wake up to the fact this bunch could not run a Kool-Aid stand. As you say Thumper Joe, It's happening everywhere in the world from right winged financial institutes that started this mess! If this was the NDP Thumper Joe, what would you be saying now! Go NDP Go
    2. Ron_26 posted on 03/09/2013 08:45 PM
      @joes_2868 I think the root of the problem is the "I'm more important than you and therefore I'm entitled" mentality.
  3. RichardF_4221 posted on 03/09/2013 07:00 PM
    Like the famous Harry Hammer would've likely said...if you can find someone to work for $10 a day, I'll give you $10 a day childcare.

    Great idea but what are these people willing to give up in order to get it?
    1. Ken280 posted on 03/09/2013 07:51 PM
      @RichardF_4221 We could give up the Liberal/cons of the coalition! Then take a good look at the books,we will see where all the money was flowing too! Health care under one roof alone will find millions of savings they cut and ripped up contracts and where were the saving's, other than just put people out of work! Many high paid bureaucrats hired by the liberals could save us a bundle! So when the NDP win this next election their work is a long hard road so when they make this work,looks like a shoe in for the next 20 yrs in BC for the NDP! Go NDP Go
  4. RichardF_4221 posted on 03/09/2013 07:02 PM
    and if they got it, they'd bitch about the quality of care not being the same as those spending $300 a day, the very next week.
    1. Ken280 posted on 03/09/2013 07:56 PM
      @RichardF_4221 So it is only available to people with an extra $300 per day!Spoke by a true Liberal/Con of the coalition! Right wing rhetoric and hate for people struggle to put food on the table.Go NDP Go
  5. Ron_26 posted on 03/09/2013 07:15 PM
    I'm always amazed that someone asks me (a tax payer) to pay them to help out with their family finances.
    1. ChrisM_18 posted on 03/09/2013 07:36 PM
      @Ron_26 Isn't socialism great !! I think this is an idea that Dix and co would be all over !
    2. Ken280 posted on 03/09/2013 08:00 PM
      @Ron_26 Tell that to the thousands of kids that might be voting soon enough there Ron! Along with your Liberal/cons of the coalition supporters.You guys will have to really tone down your right winged agenda,haha Go NDP Go
  6. joes_2868 posted on 03/09/2013 09:12 PM
    RichardF_4221: Don't know what party you vote for but if it is Kassandra Dycke of the NDP, she has no chance and Don McRae will win re-election in your home riding.
  7. ChrisM_18 posted on 03/09/2013 09:13 PM
    Lets do a little ball park math here to get an order of magnitude idea of the cost per child for $ 10 per day daycare

    Lets assume each day care worker looks after 4 kids for 8 hours
    Lets assume the worker gets paid $ 12/hr
    Lets assume there are benefits which come to about 30 % of their salary
    Lets assume costs for support and management staff add another 30 % to their salary
    That means the worker costs the system about $163 per day ,but brings in $ 40 per day
    or the other way of looking at this is that there would be a shortfal of $30 per day per child for just the labor component - ignore any infrastructure costs. Over a year thats around $ 10,000 per child .
    Anyone care to comment if my math is out to lunch ?
    1. alf5892 posted on 03/09/2013 09:47 PM
      @ChrisM_18 I think your math is okay but you're crazy if you think someone would do that job for $12/hour. What kind of worker would you attract for that kind of money? Certainly not one that I'd want to leave my kids with for 8 hours a day.
  8. joes_2868 posted on 03/09/2013 11:48 PM
    alf5892: You have not finished commenting. What should the rate of pay be?
    1. alf5892 posted on 03/10/2013 09:43 AM
      @joes_2868 In terms of pay....what is the going rate? You can't get someone to babysit your kid over the age of 16 for anything less than $6-7/hour (that's for watching one kid from a 16 year old neighbour with no particular training other than having their parents next door as well). So, in order to get someone who has some training in early childhood development, infant and child CPR and first-aid etc. I'm guessing they want to make at least 35-40K a year. (in the $20/hour range)

      When I was going through school I made more than this lifeguarding and I'd argue that caring for children is equally if not more important to a community.

      My wife and I paid more for our child's daycare than it would have cost to send her to the most expensive private school in Vancouver. There is something wrong with that. Yes I know it is a choice we made and fortunately we could afford to do so, but what about the families that can't? I'm not arguing that it is everyone else's responsibility to fund my child's care, simply that as a society, we can't on one hand expect everyone to be contributing to the economy (working, paying taxes, not drawing from welfare, EI etc.) and then on the other hand not give them any plausible way to accomplish this.
  9. MicahC posted on 03/10/2013 01:15 AM
    I think we should only have to pay $10 for oil changes to out vehicles. While we're at it, my grocery bill should only be $10 as well. I think when I fuel up my pickup truck I should only have to pay $10.

    The world owes me a living and the government should have to pay for the majority of my children's expenses. After all, I was forced to have children and all of you should now pay for them.

    Non partisan my ass. This comes straight from the social engineering Marxist/NDP coalition hand book.
  10. MicahC posted on 03/10/2013 01:19 AM
    On another note.

    Does anybody ahve an example of a government funded program that is run particularily well? And these people want to leave their children in the hands of the people who are running this province? Yikes!
  11. Brian WA posted on 03/10/2013 08:49 AM
    I guess the problem would be that no one is willing to change their lifestyle to match their income. When my wife and I got married, it was a given that we would both work until we decided to have kids. During those years, we used only my salary to live on. The house we bought, the car (1) we drove and all the expenses we had all came from my cheque. We lived within our budget and did not touch her earnings. When we had our daughter, my wife stayed at home and raised her until the daughter turned 13. My wife went back to work and we then started looking around for a new place to live. The savings we had came in very handy at that time to buy that nicer place. That never happens today !!!!
    1. ChrisM_18 posted on 03/10/2013 09:54 AM
      @ Brian WA Well. Done, and your daughter is much better off for your planning and efforts !
  12. BY_7463 posted on 03/10/2013 11:19 AM
    Don't have the little screamers untill you can afford them. Also, dont take them to restaurants untill you have taught them how to behave and be quiet. This also means not smiling at them as they are running around the booth's in the resturant thinking they are angels. If you can't do that then take them to McDonalds. Oh, and don't expect me to pay for your screamers. Nobody help pay for my kids. and yes. They knew how to act when they were at a resturant, movie etc etc. Just my thoughts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. ChrisM_18 posted on 03/10/2013 03:08 PM
      @BY_7463 I've often wondered why young parents bring their children into restaurants . Well before the end of the meal nobody is happy, including the children . It's a major waste of money , so what's the point.
      If you have to go to a restaurant with kids take them to a kid friendly establishment where the food comes quickly !
  13. Dale - left coast posted on 03/10/2013 11:46 AM
    Stephanie Smith with the BC Government and Service Employees' Union . . . don't these folks ever stop their assault on the public trough . . . they are over paid and under worked . . . make far more than equivalent jobs in the private sector . . . and now they want us to pay for their kids?
    This of course could be possible if we got 8 Billion a Year from Ottawa . . . like the folks in Quebec. Of course we will have to wait until Adrian and the Dippers destroy the BC economy so we are Elligible for Handouts like Quebec.
    Then as a "Have-Not" Province we would be in line for handouts . . . like we were in the 90's . . .
    In the meantime Stephanie . . . RAISE YOUR OWN FRIGGIN KIDS . . . i raised mine without the Govt . . . and they are functioning, critical thinking, productive citizens today . . . unlike YOU ! ! !
    1. ChrisM_18 posted on 03/10/2013 12:44 PM
      @Dale - left coast You are on to something there ! The ultimate result of socialism is just to drag everyone down to the lowest common level !
  14. P.D posted on 03/10/2013 11:54 AM
    lets just say a majic wand paid for all day care. then all the moms couild go to work. WHERE? therer are few jobs for them. Try and find a part time job now.
    1. Dale - left coast posted on 03/10/2013 12:13 PM
      @P.D Try getting off the couch, put down the X box controller . . . don't wait for the knock on the door . . . it will never come.
      There are jobs out there for those that want them . . . I don't know anyone out of work ! ! !
  15. joes_2868 posted on 03/10/2013 04:11 PM
    Ken280: You say this bunch cannot run a Kool Aid stand. Don't get mad but please explain why B.C. is a "HAVE" province and B.C. has the second highest credit rating in Canada next to Alberta with a AAA- rating,if in fact that they could not run a Kool Aid stand.
  16. AlB_4084 posted on 03/11/2013 09:12 AM
    I can see assistance for single mother but cannot see that I should pay for assisting couples who choose their lifestyle and where they live and work.
    The same goes for assisting people in the downtown east side. I would LOVE to live in Vancouver but cannot afford it. Why should I pay (taxes) for someone else to live there.
  17. speakup posted on 03/11/2013 11:18 AM
    Spend the money on FREE BIRTHCONTROL instead!

    If you CANNOT afford to raise them
    DO NOT have them!!!!!!

    I do NOT want to supplement any SPERM BANK baby makers!
    let them do it themselves!
    1. True Blue posted on 03/12/2013 07:22 AM
      @speakup Has it ever occurred to you that some people who were more than capable of raising and affording children when they had them might possibly have gone through some life event that reduces that ability?

      Just a thought.
  18. RoseH_1028 posted on 03/11/2013 12:27 PM
    I cannot understand this. Single mothers definately need assistance. The rest of you who are trying to live large need to downsize and stay home and raise your kids. If you can't afford kids after you buy your monster house, two cars and winter vacations in the sun don't come knocking on my door for a handout.
    This is socialism at its finest.
  19. True Blue posted on 03/12/2013 07:19 AM
    To all of you telling people not to have children unless they can afford them.

    What happens to a family that suffers a serious illness or injury? What happens to a family that faces an employment reduction or lay-off? What happens to a family that goes through a separation or divorce? What happens if a family has to step in and help care for another ill, injured or senior family member?

    All of these issues are unpredictable and can dramatically change the financial situation of any family. In the vast majority of cases someone has to stop working. It is not a choice it is a necessity. When someone is forced to stop working they stop paying as much income tax. They stop paying into CPP. They stop paying into EI. They often end up unable to afford MSP premiums and go onto premium assistance. They are no longer able to put any money into their RRSPs nor are they able to save any money for their child's education through a savings account or RESP.

    These types of situations have a massive butterfly affect on the overall economy both presently and well into the future.

    When did we lose all sense of community and humanity and start using the term socialism as if it is some kind of terminal disease? Are you seriously suggesting that we refuse to help the people that genuinely need help? That may be all fine and dandy from your comfortable situation but not everyone in BC shares the same quality of life that you take for granted. Not everyone needing assistance is in that position due to self-infliction.

    Don't get socialism confused with communism. Way too many people make that mistake.

    This issue is not as simple as looking at the cost of the program itself. One must look at the short term AND long term cost to society to not have such a program in order to develop a truly informed opinion.
    1. ChrisM_18 posted on 03/12/2013 12:06 PM
      @True Blue You are missing the point here ... this story is all about our younger generation with its "entitlement " attitude that is finding out that the big world doesn't owe them a grandiose lifestyle .
      I am certainly in favor of providing help to families in crisis ...but I am not interested in subsidizing a young couple so they can have two jobs , two cars , etc
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