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NDP complains logging fee changes will boost exports but cost jobs
VANCOUVER/CKNW(AM980)
Sean Leslie | Email news tips to Sean
1/17/2013

The Liberal government is making changes to forest policy in a bid to boost harvesting in the central coast area, but the NDP is crying foul.

Forests Minister Steve Thomson says a combination of lower export fees for logs from the central coast - plus higher fees elsehwere  - will mean one thing.

"More would be made available to the domestic industry."

But NDP Critic Norm MacDonald says the fee changes will do nothing to stem the growing tide of log shipments to Asia.

"This is going to cost existing jobs here in British Columbia and it's a bad move."

So what would the NDP do on raw logs? Apparently we'll have to wait until after the election to find out.
 
"Once we have a mandate from the people of the province we'll sit down and look at the tools that work to keep people working and harvesting." 

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  1. StephenG_3 posted on 01/17/2013 06:50 PM
    The Dippers are completely nuts on this issue! Seems the NDP are driven by the false direction of their union supporters who can not see the forest for the bushes. Fact is, the cost of production at unionized sawmills is just too expensive. Secondly the export of logs generates jobs for those who process them and those than transport them. The NDP plan is to kill that lucrative process and then try to re-create a failed industry for their union buddies. Such will not work.
    1. Ken280 posted on 01/17/2013 07:34 PM
      @StephenG_3 Your rants seem a little desperate now you say it's cost of the unionized sawmills.To you this mean foreign worker should come and take it over or just sell it for them to mill the product overseas and sell it back as disposable - Chopsticks? What will the profits be for the operators?I know you would like nothing more than to sell off BC, you must have a wad of money invested in the Forests and mining and pipelines, it is profit only for you people of the Liberal/Cons of the coalition! Seek nothing(in wages) for the people of BC unless they all work for the cheap ,while you go for it all! People like you are the cancer that is covering this Country with a plaque of greed and corruption, time to end it! Go NDP Go
    2. TeriR posted on 01/18/2013 10:56 AM
      @StephenG_3 @StephenG_3:

      You are right. Remember the Harmac Mill on the Island - the union helped bankrupt it (hey, what janitor or secreary wouldnn't want to make $90K a year??). 3 lines of workers lost their jobs - roughly 260 employees.

      The emlpoyees banned together and bought back the mill. Funny watching them after the fact - the one guy interviewed on TV stated the one thing you never hear around here anymore was 'It's not my job'. Within 2 years the place was profitable and people were back at work.

      The NDP also put in place the 'Froestry Act' which devestated the industry in the 90's.

      Yes, NDP - good for business ....leaving.
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  2. Ron_26 posted on 01/17/2013 06:52 PM
    Just as I suspected. If the NDP is elected, THEN they'll think about what they'll do.
    1. Ken280 posted on 01/17/2013 07:19 PM
      @Ron_26 Why tell you clowns anything! If it is good plan CC will say it came from her! I would never come here until the rite is dropped to say anything at all to you, Liberals/Cons of the coalition.Tell us what your Cons will do,Tell us what the Liberals will do, beside screwing BC with out telling us to lay down! Go NDP Go
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  3. PhilW_2 posted on 01/17/2013 09:02 PM
    Maybe now you can figure out what ..THE IDLE NO MORE IS ALL ABOUT.... I live in cowichan bay and i watch as ship after ship being loaded with raw logs, all pecker poles to i might add and mountain after mountain being skined of 30 year old trees and sent away while our mills are only running i shift... its bullsht and the FIBERALS dont give a damn. Bring on the election so we can boot these fat crusty clarks out... Oh gee i forgot crustys bin on holidays.. what a joke, makes me want to puke
    1. TeriR posted on 01/18/2013 03:06 PM
      @PhilW_2 From what I am reading 'Idle No More' doesn't even know what Idle no More is about.. The groups involved are the same as Occupy - just a different band wagon to jump onto.
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  4. commonsense posted on 01/17/2013 10:54 PM
    So they say it's wrong and they should not do it, but they also won't say what they'll do. If you're going to criticize, provide an alternative.

    When you are making dinner and your spouse says "that's not how you make it" you expect them to tell you what you should do instead. Come on!
    1. Ken280 posted on 01/17/2013 11:18 PM
      @commonsense Why do we have to provide you anything, commonsense? Just who the hell are you demanding anything from us! Your support for the most corrupt government in BC's History makes you. to me uncredible with your defense of this Government!Go NDP Go
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  5. WizardOron posted on 01/17/2013 11:04 PM
    Non-unionized mills from where I grew up paid the same wages as the unionized mills. The union would negotiate and strike for better wages and benefits and the non-unionized employees at other mills always received the same increases in pay and benefits.

    Unions came into existence so employees could have better working conditions, pay, and benefits.

    Everyone else ca make big money except those darned unionized employees, is that the way it is supposed to be.

    How much should people earn per hour in this province. From what I here from the right we should all be paying our employers for the right to work for them.

    Keep jobs in BC is what I have to say and instead of demonizing unions, governments should work with them to figure out ways to lower costs and find ways to make all organizations work and run more efficiently.

    The Liberals have done nothing to make the economy grow any better than it has under both the Social Credit and the NDP. Look at the real numbers and not the ones the Liberals like to feed us.

    Where and how are they planning to balance the provincial budget - more funny accounting or are they going to "rob" BC Hydro again. Remember they have FAILED to balance seven of the last 12 budgets and the only they have balanced them is to use magical accounting practices.

    The economy only grew during the past ten years because of high commodity prices NOT because of the Liberals.

    Look honestly at this government is my suggestion. . .they have become to arrogant and need to be put on the sidelines for awhile. . .
    1. Ken280 posted on 01/17/2013 11:22 PM
      @WizardOron Now here is some plain BC commonsense, Thank you!
    2. MichaelD_10 posted on 01/18/2013 01:07 PM
      @WizardOron The problem is at $30 per hour or even $20 per hour. Mills in Canada will never be able to compete with mills where folks are happy to work for $2.50 per hour. We have a world economy that sets $ values and commodity prices. Canada is a land of plenty but if your telling your children to look for jobs in a factory or mill in Canada is not the place. We need to find other jobs for our people.
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  6. joes_2868 posted on 01/18/2013 10:02 AM
    The NDP is only complaining because it is not done the way they do things when it comes to the forest industry. The NDP policies drove forest industry costs up!

    When the NDP had the taxpayers cheque book, The BC NDP's Forest Practices Code-with more than 4,500 regulations contained in 252 sections, 19 Regulations Books and 38 guide books-added at least $1 billion in costs to the forest industry for no public benefit, making THE COASTAL INDUSTRY THE HIGHEST COST PRODUCER OF TIMBER IN THE WORLD. BETWEEN 1991 AND 2001, 39 B.C. MILLS CLOSED.

    THE NDP THOUGHT JOBS GREW ON TREES. NDP PREMIER GLEN CLARK "ORDERED" THE FOREST INDUSTRY TO CREATE 21,000 NEW JOBS OVER FIVE YEARS OR LOSE TIMBER-CUTTING RIGHTS; 13,000 JOBS DISAPPEARED.

    IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT JOBS DISAPPEAR UNDER A NDP GOVERNMENT, JUST REMEMBER WHY IF YOU GET A LAY OFF SLIP FROM YOUR EMPLOYER IF IN FACT THE NDP FORMS GOVERNMENT.

    BUSINESS DOES NOT BELIEVE IN NDP TERRITORY, SO IN RETURN THE WORKING B.C. TAXPAYER SUFFERS IN RETURN FOR THEIR VOTING PATTERN AT THE VOTING BOOTH.

    AND IF YOU ARE STILL PUZZLED, LIKE KEN280, THE READERS CONSULTANT WITH A BRIEFCASE 50 MILES AWAY FROM HOME, WHY WHEN THE NDP CREATED THIS MESS, THEY WERE STILL GIVEN A SECOND CHANCE AT GOVERNMENT WILL WINNING ONLY A 3 SEAT MAJORITY OVER THE OPPOSITION.

    WOULDN'T YOU SAY A 3 SEAT MAJORITY SHOWS THAT THE B.C. TAXPAYER WERE NOT HAPPY CAMPERS.

    EXCELLENT ECONOMICS ON BEHALF OF THE EMPLOYERS THAT GIVE US OUR PAY CHEQUES.
    1. TeriR posted on 01/18/2013 10:58 AM
      @joes_2868 @joes_2868:

      The NDP did the same to mining.
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  7. RoseH_1028 posted on 01/18/2013 12:32 PM
    All these NDP voters waiting for their handouts will have a rude awakening. All they talk about basically is shutting down the economy. With all they are saying that is what it will lead to.
    The unions and all there demands have priced us out of the world market.
    1. TeriR posted on 01/18/2013 03:07 PM
      @RoseH_1028 Got to love when you read that Jim Sinclair has been meeting with Dix to lay out his plans and wants from the NDP if they get into power.

      We are so screwed.
    2. Ken280 posted on 01/18/2013 10:51 PM
      @RoseH_1028 Oh! please and as the rich get rich has nothing to do with it huh! Go NDP Go
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  8. joes_2868 posted on 01/18/2013 12:36 PM
    TeriR: Very correct. Isn't amazing that these NDP'er's can't get it through their heads that governments in general are all the same, BUT SOME ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS.

    How many taxpayers go to work everyday, but can't stand the employer they work for but do make a good size pay cheque.

    Do they just quit on the spot? Yes some do, but others will stay right on to retirement if they have the chance still disliking the employer.

    How many taxpayers go to work everyday, but can't stand their supervisor, like a supervisor with the attitude of Ken280, the readers consultant with a briefcase 50 miles away from home.

    Do they just quit on the spot? Some do. Others stay right on to retirement if they have the chance even with the supervisor they do not like.

    Ken280, the readers consultant, a man with a briefcase 50 miles away from home beleives that WAGES IS NUMBER ONE IN A JOB AND SECURITY IS NUMBER TWO.

    Most majority of the workforce believe that WORKING CONDITIONS IS NUMBER ONE, YOUR SUPERVISOR IS NUMBER TWO, JOB SECURITY IS NUMBER THREE AND WAGES IS NUMBER FOUR.

    REMEMBER THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS JOB SECURITY. JOB SECURITY ONLY EXISTS THAT IF YOU LEAVE A JOB AND THE COMPANY HAS TO REPLACE YOU THEN THAT IS JOB SECURITY.

    IF THEY DON'T REPLACE YOU, THEN THERE WAS NO JOB SECURITY.

    These NDP'er's all practice the above except when it comes to voting for a government.

    They are all like Bruce Ralston, who knows nothing about accounting, and will not bother to take night school courses at Camosan College in Victoria when he is living in Victoria during lesgislative assembly.
  9. joes_2868 posted on 01/18/2013 04:03 PM
    TeriR: All NDP cabinet decisions would then have to be approved by Jim SinClair, the same as with Glen Clark and Ken Georgetti.
    1. Ken280 posted on 01/18/2013 10:52 PM
      @joes_2868 where do CC get her order?let me see a couple of billionairs Go NDP Go
  10. joes_2868 posted on 01/19/2013 12:41 AM
    Ken280: Unbelievable! Time for you to go to intervention to clean you out of NDP material. There is enough of us here to help out to get you to come clean and most of all keep that blood pressure reading normal. Why take those water pills and then get all hot headed from the comments of sensible people, true B.C. loving coalition taxpayers that believe in their province.
    1. Ken280 posted on 01/19/2013 10:08 PM
      @joes_2868 The government has spent millions in advertising in the final weeks of 2012 to persuade voters it is a prudent manager of the public purse. In the face of mounting sober advice to the contrary, Premier Christy Clark and de Jong remain wedded to their promise of delivering a balanced budget in the new fiscal year.

      These two are rushing headlong toward B.C.’s very own version of America’s fiscal cliff and they don’t seem to appreciate their peril. Clark & Co. are exiting 2012 under the darkest of clouds. Their Christmas Grinch is Moody’s Investor Service, which has deposited a lump of coal of biblical proportions in B.C.’s stocking.

      Moody’s is the financial world’s Vatican. When this credit rating institution rains on your parade, it is best to start building an arc.

      Moody’s has downgraded B.C.’s financial status to AAA-negative from AAA-stable. Moody’s blames it on our worsening financial situation, which has investors worried about the government’s ability to avoid increasing its massive overall debt load.

      “A more subdued economic outlook, compounded with lower-than-anticipated natural gas resource revenues, along with continued expense pressures presents risks to achieving the fiscal plan and to stabilizing and ultimately reversing the recent accumulation in debt,” says Moody’s assistant vice-president Jennifer Wong, lead analyst for the province. More coming Thumper Joe! Go NDP Go
    2. Ken280 posted on 01/21/2013 01:18 PM
      @joes_2868 Keep Thumping Joe,The grouse in heat your grouse fright wig, still is on too tight bugging out your eyes or did you just drop that methamphetamine to keep your yapping you said you will DO anything haha! These people really believe in their province and it's not for the sell out of everything that is good ! You wanted some truth and now you spin that! Typical Liberal/con of the coalition!Go NDP Go
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