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VANCOUVER/CKNW(AM980)
Marcella Bernardo | Email news tips to Marcella
1/16/2013

It hurts.  That's how one of BC's top film executives is describing the Premier's refusal to consider increasing tax breaks for the billion-dollar industry.
 
Pete Mitchell --who heads up Vancouver Film Studios-- says he just spent two days in Los Angeles trying to drum up more business for what used to be called 'Hollywood North.'

"Everywhere we go, they're like, 'We love Vancouver. We would love to be there, but we didn't shoot there last year because Louisiana had this tax credit or we went to Montreal because of that.

There's been a three year timeframe between when Ontario made the change and now. The impact takes a few years to work through. Similarly, even if we change the tax credits today, it's going to take another two to three years to get back to where we should be."

Premier Christy Clark says she has no plans to increase tax credits currently worth $285-million because her priority is balancing the budget.


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  1. ChrisM_18 posted on 01/16/2013 07:33 PM
    I wonder if the latte sucking airheads of this wonderful city realize that the nickname of Hollywood North is not exactly repeated with kindness by the rest of Canada?
  2. commonsense posted on 01/16/2013 08:28 PM
    What's the amount needed in order to keep them here?

    I have spoken to people in the industry leaving or going back to either Ontario or California for work. One of their sellers was the HST and now that it has been (or will be shortly) reversed, it has killed their businesses.
    1. Ken280 posted on 01/17/2013 12:26 AM
      @commonsense It is still in as we speak has been for awhile! They were still hurting i am so happy that the HST is gone I have not seen any savings from that Tax.I heard on CKNW and all the pro HST people said the Tax 7%would be passed on to the consumer and lower prices and the Jobs.Really and the they thought that would be the selling point!
  3. DavidSB posted on 01/16/2013 08:56 PM
    Hypocritical Hollywood. Millionaire welfare queens while many of our seniors suffer in poverty......embarrassing!

    We, as a province are already over our heads in debt and stealing for our kids and grandkids to pay it back. We don't need millionaire welfare queens carting off more bucketfuls of cash so they can buy a fourth porsche
    1. TeriR posted on 01/17/2013 03:00 PM
      @DavidSB @ Davidb_52: You do realize that the film industry employs everyday people, don't you? You know - those people that pay rent or mortgages, have families to look after etc.

      So get out of the mind set that the film industry is just about the actors etc.

      Lots of people in BC will lose good paying jobs - and that is a sad thing.

      Not to mention the offshoot companies that will be affected like catering companies etc.
  4. joes_2868 posted on 01/16/2013 08:57 PM
    commonsense: I wonder how many of them voted to get rid of the HST. Have to now suffer with less pay on their pay cheques.
    1. commonsense posted on 01/16/2013 09:13 PM
      @joes_2868 To be honest, I can imagine a good number voted to keep it.

      I want to know how many decided not to vote in the 09 election and then voted in the referendum. If you do not vote, you should lose your voice!
    2. LeonardJ posted on 01/16/2013 09:14 PM
      @joes_2868 The hated sales tax is stoopid. Why would I pay more? I pay enough in taxes

      Go NDP Go
  5. HedgeH posted on 01/16/2013 09:02 PM
    Don`t think it`s just the film industry hurting, so why this becomes such a focal point I`ll never know! Who cares what gets shot here, much bigger things to worry about in this Province right now!!
  6. RoseH_1028 posted on 01/16/2013 09:57 PM
    By not giving them the tax breaks we will all pay more taxes. Even with tax breaks they still contributed millions to the BC coffers besides employing thousands of people who in turn pay taxes. It is a huge negative hit to our economy.
    1. commonsense posted on 01/16/2013 10:16 PM
      @RoseH_1028 The breaks need to equal the paybacks (an equilibrium). But I want to know that number. I've heard many times from family visiting that it was so cool to see Smallville, Final Destination scene locations and, what surprised me, scene locations from the X-Files!
    2. Ken280 posted on 01/17/2013 12:31 AM
      @RoseH_1028 yeah! just like building the sea bus here our workers would have paid taxes also !Go NDP Go
  7. joes_2868 posted on 01/17/2013 12:24 AM
    leonardJ: Then why has not the NDP in Nova Scotia got rid of the HST. They inherited the tax and raised it by 2% after a promise to the voters no tax increases.
    Why does the NDP in Manitoba keep adding more and more to their PST. Taxpayers in Manitoba have to pay PST and GST on food and beverage purchases as well as haircuts and manicures whereas in B.C., come April 1, 2013, B.C. taxpayers will only pay the GST.
    If a new government is elected in B.C., how can we make sure that they don't start adding more items to the PST.
    1. Ken280 posted on 01/17/2013 12:33 AM
      @joes_2868 Your Government already did add to the PST Thumper Joe Go NDP Go
    2. insite posted on 01/17/2013 11:38 AM
      @joes_2868 You will find that the present government has already used up all wriggle room in respect of higher PST taxation.

      For example, the 7 percent tax on used vehicles and boats will not be eliminated. Remember, this 7 percent was a way of ensuring more business went towards car dealers.

      Also, remember all the items which were previously PST exempt? Well, many of these applied to garden soil, fertilizers, insulating products, energy-efficient goods, smoke alarms, safety googles, shoes etc. Now, if any previously PSP exempt item was time sensitive I.e., set to expire before reimplementation of PST, that is not going to happen.
      So, it is not necessarily true that all PST exemptions as of July 1, 2010 will be restored as those were slated to expire anyways. Perhaps, that helps explain the foot dragging to avoid going back to those exemptions.

      That said, we should all look forward to paying sales taxes which will actually go into government coffers...instead of going directly into the pockets of business. I want my taxes to pay for services-not to subsidize business.
  8. BieberStoner69 posted on 01/17/2013 01:23 AM
    Porn, Porn and more Porn!!!

    When CLark is out of a job she will easily get hired.

    Clark
    Dix
    Cummings Their names speak for themselves!! LOL!!!!!
    1. TeriR posted on 01/17/2013 03:04 PM
      @BieberStoner69 Ahh, great. Here is a shining example of our so called 'future'

      Perhaps you should lighten up on the pot smoking and see if you can breath some life iback nto your dying brain cells.
  9. AndreaK_5056 posted on 01/17/2013 07:49 AM
    I would like some tax breaks too! We're all hurting here thanks to the BC Fiberals of the new century and the BC ndp of the 90's... Pretty much everything I have to pay for has gone up this year. The only thing that went down for me was my private, optional car insurance, it went down by $5 a month! Woo Hoo! Book the cruise!

    Sorry hollywood people. The fact that I can't afford to go to the movies because it's insanely expensive doesn't make me to sympathetic to your cause.
    1. MG_2497 posted on 01/17/2013 08:14 AM
      @AndreaK_5056 @AndreaK_5056

      Nobody is denying that other people are having hard times too but what the film community is proposing here makes sense not just from their perspective but from yours too.

      Firstly the 'tax breaks' aren't targeted at the individual and their income tax but at the production company that employs the individual.
      If a production decides to shoot in BC they pay taxes on every $ they spend. The tax credit program offers a reduction in those taxes as incentive for productions to shoot here.
      Currently a lot of those productions decide to shoot elsewhere, not because film workers in Ontario make less or suppliers in Quebec are cheaper but because those provinces give more of the tax back.
      So not only will there be some tax revenue from productions shooting here but the employed workers will then pay income tax rather than collect EI and they will spend more money resulting in more income for somebody else who then also pays more tax. The spin off effect is huge.
      The basic decision here is whether we want all of nothing (nobody shoots here) or do you want less of something (increase tax credit to attract more productions).

      If it fair that rich Hollywood producers want to shoot there movie as cheap as possible to make the most profit? No, it isn't.
      Does it make sense for the province to have them shoot that movie here though? Yes, it does! Less of something will always be more than all of nothing.

      Thank you
    2. commonsense posted on 01/17/2013 10:26 AM
      @AndreaK_5056 As any conservative or liberal would tell you is that the breaks must equal the returns. If we give you a $500M tax break, then we must expect the same in return. It's perfectly legitimate. That's why government employment does not make sense. Your payroll is, let's say $1B, but we will never see that convert in $1B in tax revenue based off of it.
  10. Jartann posted on 01/17/2013 08:30 AM
    Bottom line: taxes matter. So, the economic illiterates who supported the repeal of the HST and who denied the input of every economics and investment expert have what they wanted. But as is so often the case, be careful what you wish for. Now we are hearing industry after industry report that the new structure will make them even less competitive. But, with the PST back at least people with secure jobs (civil servants) can go out to eat and drink more frequently. And really, isn't that what it is all about?

    In BC we have trhe same disease that has ruined California, we want all the government goodies and have absolutely no interest in any meaningful discussion about how this is to be paid for. Have not status-to return to BC starting in May of 2013. Thanks Bill VanderZalm, Bill Tieleman and of course Adrian Dix.
    1. AndreaK_5056 posted on 01/17/2013 08:54 AM
      @Jartann Vote BC Conservatives...
    2. DavidSB posted on 01/17/2013 10:15 AM
      @Jartann Maybe you and your government should have thought of that before you borrowed us into the poor house. I didn't see you business types complaining when the government was cranking up the debt to give you people a bunch of business tax breaks. Well guess what. We are now in the poor house and even you stinking rich folks are being asked to pay a little bit out of your solid gold wallets. I guess you are going to have to buy a BMW this year instead of a rolls. Boo Hoo
  11. joes_2868 posted on 01/17/2013 10:04 AM
    Ken280: The reader's consultant, a man with a briefcase 50 miles away from home with a water pill prescription in the briefcase for major high blood pressure problems.

    But Ken, come April 1, 2013, in B.C., when you go to eat or drink in a restaurant or a bar, you will only pay 5% GST.

    When you go to eat or drink in a restaurant or a bar in NDP Manitoba, you will pay 7% PST and 5% GST.
    THE AMAZING NDP! WE DON'T NEED HST, JUST KEEP ADDING MORE TAXABLE ITEMS TO THE PST!

    IS THIS WHAT YOUR FRIEND ADRIAN HAS PLANNED IF IN FACT HE IS GIVEN THE CHEQUE BOOK TO B.C.

    KEN SAYS A NDP GOVERNMENT.

    ADRIAN DIX SAYS THE ELECTION WILL BE A NAIL BITER.

    JOES SAYS, ONE OR THE OTHER, BUT ONLY WITH A 10 SEAT MAJORITY AT THE MOST OVER THE OTHER.

    NOT ONE CONSERVATIVE, INCLUDING JOHN CUMMINS WILL BE ELECTED.
    1. AnneH_4 posted on 01/17/2013 10:39 AM
      @joes_2868 One more NDP government and BC will never recover - just take a look at Ontario. Their Liberal and NDP governments have made what was once a very prosperous Province to 'havenot' - same thing will happen in BC

      And recovery will never happen
  12. speakup posted on 01/17/2013 10:29 AM
    why should we care?
    WHY should BC tax payers have to supplement these OVERPAID Hollywood freaks???

    These 'jobs' are NOT real jobs
    They are 'seasonal' for lack of a better term
    The movie people are used and abused by the BIG BUCK BONAZA players- the producers-directors and soooooooo OVER-everything 'stars'
    (ohhh don;t take my picture - i want privcay in this business - oh poor me - I am just a hard workin Billionaire- I need a TAX BREAK)

    BASICALLY - this is all BIG BS
    Most movies now can be ALL green screened -
    NO LOCATION needed at all!!!! AT ALL
    Soooooo if hte moive makers-movie houses - all the movie moguls and what theat entials - cannot change and grow with the changing economic times - LIKE THE REST OF US REAL TAX PAYERS - then they need to stop whinning and get a REAL JOB!!

    I am sooooooo SICK of supplementing the RICH
    Movies and Hockey players seem to be on TOP these days!!!

    I DO NOT think it is at all OK to give this industry any more tax breaks!
    They are suppose to be soooo0o creative - then get creative!

    And don;t even get me started about the BLOODY BOLLYWOOD CRAP!!!!
    HOW can BC PAY for thsi CRAP!?!?!?!?!!?
    this is soooooooo totally wrong!

    Looks like or BC MILF is doing it to us again........STOP IT!!!!
    We may need a 'safe word'
    1. ianm_0078 posted on 01/17/2013 11:02 AM
      @speakup These are real jobs! There are hundreds of carpenters, electricians, sound engineers, cameramen, makeup artists and caterers that will lose their jobs.
  13. joes_2868 posted on 01/17/2013 12:31 PM
    AnneH_4: How true. Has not happened in B.C. yet. Taxpayers have to remember that the Ontario provincial Liberals are a arm of the Federal Liberals.
    The B.C. Liberals is a coalition party, where they vote for either Liberal or Conservative in Federal elections.

    A good resume always gets the job, but here in B.C., we are a "HAVE" province along with Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Newfoundland.
    B.C. has AAA- credit rating number two in Canada next to Alberta in first place at AAA.
    These two accomplishments just dosen't seem to sink into the minds of some taxpayers, as part of a good resume.
    All part of political consumer affairs.
    An NDP government will take these two accomplishments away from B.C.

    And now the readers consultant, Ken280, a man with a briefcase 50 miles away from home will be blowing off more gaskets and shooting from the hip as normal.

    Notice how calm, cool, and collected, most replies are, but when it comes to the likes of Ken280 and others, are they trying to hide something about the true colours of NDP policy, because it truely reads as DAMAGE CONTROL.
  14. joes_2868 posted on 01/18/2013 09:42 AM
    insite: You have the perfect quailifiations to run as a NDP MLA!
    If you would have done your homework, which we know is just impossilbe for you to even try and do, you would have noticed the following before shooting off from the hip and blowing a gasket. Seems that you must talk to Susan Lambert and Jim SinClair who make suckers out of their supporters to ensure that their hip pocket stays topped off on pay days.
    BEFORE THE HST:

    USED VEHICLES FROM A DELEARHSIP: 5% GST PLUS 7%PST FOR A TOTAL TAX OF 12%.
    USED VEHICLES FROM A PRIVATE SALE: 7% PST ONLY.

    AFTER THE INTRODUCTION OF THE HST:

    USED VEHICLES FROM A DEALERSHIPS: 12% HST. NO CHANGE IN TOTAL TAX.

    USED VEHICLES FROM A PRIVATE SALE: 12% PST ONLY.

    THE PST WAS CHANGED FROM 7% TO 12%, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NO DISADVANTAGE TO VEHICLE DEALERSHIPS.

    A BUSINESS BUYING A VEHICLE COULD APPLY THE TOTAL 12% HST AS A INPUT TAX CREDIT ON THEIR MONTHLY HST REMITTANCE TO THE GOVERNMENT.
    AS OF APRIL 1, 2013, THEY CAN ONLY APPLY THE 5%GST AS A INPUT TAX CREDIT ON THEIR MONTHLY REMITTANCE TO THE GOVERNMENT.
    BUSINESS WITH LARGE VOLUME OF REVENUE, REMIT THE TAX MONTHLY AND SMALLER BUSINESS REMIT THE TAX QUARTERLY.
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