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Watts has ideas on transit funding
VANCOUVER/CKNW AM980
Shane Woodford | Email news tips to shane.woodford@corusent.com
10/19/2012

Among the ideas floated by those on the Mayor's Council for Translink to raise transit funds is region-wide road pricing.

Surrey Mayor Dianne Watts says the idea works elsewhere, but it would have to be fair and equitable.

When asked for examples using road pricing to see what it might cost someone to drive from Surrey to Vancouver, Watts says, "as low as in areas 25-cents and in others areas 50-cents.  It depends on how it is implemented but it is at such a low rate that it is spread evenly.  And you have to take the social aspect who can afford it, who cannot afford it, and those measures and technology are used around the world and they are already there."

Watts says by adding road pricing, it would also mean a reducing the Gas Tax, and removing the Property Tax.


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  1. HUGH F posted on 10/19/2012 08:22 AM
    What part of keep your flipping hands OUT OF MY DAMNED WALLET is difficult for these idiots to understand? I'm DAMN WELL MAXED OUT! Cut back on the lard asses drawing 6 figure salaries for a start. I'm sick to death of these moronic fools treating the public as an unlimited ATM.
    There, I feel a bit better now.
  2. DavidSB posted on 10/19/2012 08:50 AM
    And how do they propose to track this? Transponders? So they are going to know where their cattle are 24 hours per day. This is also not very efficient as they would have to collect the money from each and every citizen. Here's an idea, how about just putting a tax on gas (I know, I come up with these brilliant ideas every once in a while). That way the more gas you use (in other words the farther you drive) the more in road 'pricing' you pay. This is automatic and also much more efficient a collection structure since gas stations are already collecting from those citizens. Why reinvent the wheel here?

    We all know that government jobs are way overpriced compared to the public sector. Why pay someone $30 per hour collecting these road pricing fees when they can be paid to the gas jockeys at a much more efficient price.

    I know all these government folks need to provide jobs for their families and friends but it is time they stop being so selfish and get their noses out of the troughs
    1. AnnT_2 posted on 10/19/2012 10:18 AM
      @DavidSB How do you plan to collect from vehicles that don't use gas?
    2. Is_it_just_me posted on 10/19/2012 09:46 PM
      @DavidSB "how about just putting a tax on gas (I know, I come up with these brilliant ideas every once in a while)"

      We already have a gas tax. Watts proposes to replace it with these tolls. the article clearly states this. See all the people below complaining about it. Glad to see you read the article before getting on your soap box. What a brilliant idea.....
  3. KenL_6250 posted on 10/19/2012 08:56 AM
    Watts we do not like any of your goofy ideas period
  4. Ron_26 posted on 10/19/2012 09:04 AM
    Seems like a great idea to me. Reduce property and gas taxes and move to a user pay system. That puts me in control and puts the money directly where it's needed. Collection, in this high tech age, could be easily done. The current system is broken and needs to be fixed.
    1. KenL_6250 posted on 10/19/2012 08:21 PM
      @Ron_26 No Ron it is another stupid idea coming out of her mouth another dumb Liberal, that is what Watts is
  5. EricM_2360 posted on 10/19/2012 09:19 AM
    Another day, another planned method of extorting more money from Metro residents, who already bear the highest fuel prices in North America and have precious little to show for it other than a ridiculous, poorly managed entity called TransLink, and a collection of mayors who weekly suggest new fees or payment schemes.

    I humbly ask how every other major city on the continent manages without the dithering and gouging we have to put up with. Time to seriously consider leaving Metro altogether, the "Liveable Region" plan is dead, if one includes the cost of living as part of having a reasonable life.
    1. Is_it_just_me posted on 10/19/2012 10:00 PM
      @EricM_2360 I humbly submit that Every other major city has tolls!! New York, New Jersey, LA, Miami all have some toll roads. Some have tolls that are over $20!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_toll_roads_in_the_United_States

      Time to pull our heads out of our rears and realize that if we want roads we have to pay for them. if you dont like it -STAY HOME!
  6. barryE_4616 posted on 10/19/2012 09:46 AM
    I am extremely angry with any more road tax we are already paying triple for gas what it should be and now we got to pay to drive the new Port Mann bridge where does it end I am a senior living on less than $700 a month and if I don't have the money I go without translink should do the same and make fair evaders pay their share.
  7. JohnS_4384 posted on 10/19/2012 10:03 AM
    Deal with Fare Evasion first!!! Start issuing fines to ALL the fare evaders, and the use fine revenue to help with funding. There are plenty of fare evaders out there. I see them everyday. Get the drivers to start pressing the fare evader button every time from now on.
  8. AnnT_2 posted on 10/19/2012 10:21 AM
    Do busses get taxed this way too? Seems they use the roads.
  9. howards_1187 posted on 10/19/2012 11:00 AM
    How about having the fairs pay for the transit what a novel idea.
    How about fees for bicycle commuters in that road pricing modle as well.
    When they pushed the gas tax up I got a customer in Abbotsford so I had a reason to go there and allways fill my gas there.
    Many in Surrey cross the border.
    So what will happen is businesses will move to where there is no road price and anywhere that has it will cost extra to live in. Increased food and gods in the area where the road pricing is.
    Mind you I have fired all my customers in Downtown because you can't drive to there anyway.
  10. StephenG_3 posted on 10/19/2012 11:50 AM
    But we already have road pricing! We pay gas taxes, carbon taxes, ICBC insurance and property taxes, not to mention parking fees. The problem is that most of that taxation does not go to transportation. However the main problem is that governments at all levels just spend too much, try to do too much at the same time, and are terrible financial managers.

    Right now most people are maxed out from too many taxes and fees from all levels of government and their agencies. Tie for a BIG pause.
  11. JimP_5079 posted on 10/19/2012 12:31 PM
    I wouldn't shoot the idea down until I was clearly shown how it works. On the surface it might appear to mean more tax but if it meant cutting gas and property tax who knows it might have merit show me the picture then I will decide. Too early to say know without a blueprint of how it will work.
  12. ehren_7638 posted on 10/19/2012 01:09 PM
    I guess Dianne thought she got some artificial intelligence when she dyed her hair Blonde. What a stupid idea. I thought the 17 cent per litre gasoline tax was an easily collected road tax? Why a Carbon Tax ( includes Hospitals,Schools,Public Institutions) of $2 billion that is then redistributed to Private Companies such as the Alberta company of Encana which received $40million and no $$ to Tanslink.
    G.Campbell made a deal to demolish the pefectly still useable TOLL FREE Port Mann bridge so the P2P investor/builder of the new bridge would get a guaranteed profit of 8% ROI.The new $2.46 BILLION must be paid for by the Users as was the Lions Gate Bridgewhich had tolls for 26 Years ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Mann_Bridge ).
    We have zero Skytrain on the North Shore and paid our tolls.The rest of the provincial taxpayers should not now subsidize those south of the Fraser residents who chose to live there for cheap Housing.These commuters will save 1.5hrs /day on Commute time and Car idling gas costs and should pay for that benefit ( user pay via a Bridge Toll))
  13. speakup posted on 10/20/2012 02:51 PM
    RE: " It depends on how it is implemented but it is at such a low rate that it is spread evenly. And you have to take the social aspect who can afford it, who cannot afford it, and those measures and technology are used around the world and they are already there."

    I sense more SUPPLEMENTATION coming......
    Just another FEE (or whatever the MOB calls it these days)
    where they will collect and make paperwork so complicated and extensive
    it will COST MORE to execute than they collect - and THEN THE BIG KICKER
    they will GIVE BACK the COSTS (and MORE) to the BIG section of people in LOW tax brackets!!!!

    I AM SOOOOOO Sick of supplementing EVERYBODY else
    While I get nothing -
    well I guess I do get something - but it does NOT feel good

    SHUT UP DIANE and STOP pretending you have all the answers!
    Stay in Surrey and leave the rest of us alone

    PS - NO ONE CAN AFFORD this or ANYTHING else!
    WHO will SAVE US from this money grabbing Province of MOBSTERS!
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