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Cost of BC Ferries service going up
VANCOUVER/CKNW (AM980)
Marcella Bernardo | Email news tips to Marcella
10/1/2012

Ferry travellers in B.C. will soon pay more for the service, and within three years, rates will rise as much as 12 per cent.

The British Columbia Ferry Commission has approved a 4.1 per cent hike in April, another four per cent in 2014 and 3.9 per cent in 2015.

The prices have been capped to factor in efficiency targets and service level adjustments.

BC Ferries has also been ordered to submit plans for reducing fuel consumption and use of alternate fuels within the next 30 days.


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  1. Jartann posted on 10/01/2012 11:35 AM
    Aren't government monopolies just so special They pay people what they want to, spend as they please, and just pass the cost on to the shlubs like us who have no choice but to pay what we are told to pay. What other ferry system is there? But, so long as the ferry workers and executives at the ferry corp get their dough, we are supposed to be happy.

    The NDP can reduce the fares, but this would require money from general revenue. So money intended for other uses will go to this one, or the deficit will be a little higher the next "business cycle" and as DIx says, it will just be paid back later when the business cycle is at a different point. All nonsense of course, but the media buys it and the majority of BCers buy it, so we will get what we vote for-and be very unhappy as a result.

    Which is why, of course, the story about the LCB selling booze cheaper is a fairy tale. The LCB cannot be covering all of their costs given they are paying union wages and big benefits. There is a public subsidy buried there somewhere but we will never be told about that. The public sector has circled the wagons on that one.
    1. RayF_3844 posted on 10/01/2012 05:48 PM
      @Jartann When they started running the fery system as if it was a cruise line our problems began. I for one wouldn't mind a bare bones service In the olddays we had our cars on board, a restroom, a SEAT TO SIT ON IN A WARM AREA AND THE LUXURY OF AN UPPER DECK TO GET FRESH AIR. No restaurants, no gift shops, no kiddies play areas, no video game center, no licquer lounge, no coffee bar and no departure area shopping centers. Get rid of all that crap and you'll have reasonable fare costs.
  2. lican posted on 10/01/2012 11:40 AM
    I went to the Port Townsend wooden boat show in September and took the ferry across from Whidbey island. It cost two of us plus the truck 15 dollars. We use to vacation about 2wks a year on Vancouver island but once we started doing the math it was far more economical for us to avoid the BC ferry system.The result is a few Vancouver island communities do not receive our vacation dollars which amounted to a cpl of thousand dollars.
    We also seem to be frequenting the US more and more.We,like most others,are feeling more and more pinched via taxes,fees and service charges.
    1. RayF_3844 posted on 10/01/2012 05:52 PM
      @lican Right on Saigon, our son paid over $500 just to get his rig and family back and forth to and from the island for a summer visit this year. $500 gives them a ten day stay in the National Parks 3 hours from their home, much better than an expensive boat shafting.
  3. howards_1187 posted on 10/01/2012 11:49 AM
    Can I get a 12% raise over 3 years?
    1. DavidSB posted on 10/01/2012 10:09 PM
      @howards_1187 how about we raise your taxes by 12% ;)
  4. Garp posted on 10/01/2012 12:25 PM
    Ferry costs in BC are a bargain. Travel on a Washington State Ferry or go to Eastern Canada and Europe - you'll choke on the cost. I'm no supporter of David Hahn and his outrageous payout package from the Liberals, but British Columbians' need to appreciate the bargain BC Ferries offers.
    1. SalV posted on 10/01/2012 02:25 PM
      @Garp Citation Needed.
      For a little more of a round trip between Vancouver and Victoria I can buy a multi-hop pass on Washington State Ferries.
      Ferries on NFL are more than twice as long on open ocean, curiously are barely double what BC Ferries charges.
    2. RayF_3844 posted on 10/01/2012 05:56 PM
      @Garp 90% of the US fares are half of the BC main route costs. The ferries in Europe are not provincial routes they are international routes and as such you pay more for those but not double what you pay here. National departures and arrvals within those boundries are about 35% less than what is charged on BC major routes.
  5. BOBF_5970 posted on 10/01/2012 01:25 PM
    dear mr. ferryman,
    there are 2 ways to make money
    #1. raise the fares on the few left using them
    #2. lower the rates to attract more users.
    i think the public would prefer #2 . our family use to go to the island 4 times a year , now maybe once this year. i pity the economy of the island businesses.
    1. RayF_3844 posted on 10/01/2012 05:57 PM
      @BOBF_5970 Ja, you be right with that one, boss !
  6. StephenG_3 posted on 10/01/2012 01:59 PM
    Well is that not a kick in the posterior for users of the Ferry system. It seems these overlords have absolutely no concept on how to think out side of the box and find real ways to attract ridership.

    As the price increases, ferry ridership will simply grow smaller. So much for tourism on the Islands and Sunshine Coast.
  7. joes_2868 posted on 10/01/2012 02:00 PM
    David Hahn's compensation was one thing but go to the web and look at the 22 page union payroll with 1,000 employees that all earned over $75,000 last year. Remember that is not the total payroll. Union has a good share of the money too.
    1. PhilW_2 posted on 10/01/2012 06:18 PM
      @joes_2868 Hey Joe.... where you going that union bashing in your hand? People gotta eat pal.
  8. Jartann posted on 10/01/2012 02:19 PM
    While BC Ferry fares may be less than other places, the circumstances are materially different. Almost 20% of the population lives on Vancouver Island. No European ferry system provides services to such a high percentage of any jurisdiction's people. In Washington State, the ferries service a small percentage of the state population and some of the ferries service communities that are not on islands. In E Canada, there is now a bridge to PEI, so it is only Newfoundland that is isolated. Also, the Nerwfoundland route is not comparable due to the distance.

    As for reducing the fares to increase the ridership-this is the classic "make it up in the volume" fallacy. If the marginal or incremental cost of salings is greater than the incremental revenue received by charging lower fares and increasing ridership, then you will simply sail into bankruptcy. I am sure that is the calculation they have had to make-they just can't get enough additional riders to cover the incremental costs.

    The bottom line is that many of the people who work for BC Ferries make more money and receive more benefits than the traffic will bear, and the ability of general revenue to cover the difference is diminishing at an accelerating rate. This will get worse as the twin financial clouds of massive increases in health care spending and additional costs to cover pension shortfalls begin to emerge. Get ready for massive increases in taxation because there is no way Adrian DIx is going to do anything other than give in to public sector labour.
    1. SalV posted on 10/01/2012 02:34 PM
      @Jartann I agree but, without increasing the number of sailings, the cost of sailing at half capacity vs. full capacity should be marginal (increase fuel consumption?). Looks like the breaking point has been reached and by raising prices the ridership would just decrease (per sailing).
  9. Jartann posted on 10/01/2012 02:42 PM
    @SalV None of us are able to verify this, but I just look at things like incentives and rewards. The management of BC Ferries, and in fact the Liberal cabinet, has every incentive to keep ferry fares low and ridership high. Increasing fares is not popular with anyone, it goes without saying. So, I have concluded that they have reached the point where the analysis shows that increased ridership does not cover the incremental costs, and the general revenue is tapped out.

    Excuse the pun, but the fairy tales are over. Economic realities are beginning to hit home. This is going to get very ugly very soon-because the confiscation of property and private assets through high taxation is the route most politicos will choose. The big government model is dying, but it will not die quietly or without causing a lot of damage along the way. As witness the riots in Europe-none of their politicians is ideologically committed to downsizing and cut backs, they have just run out of options. It is all they have left.
  10. KatyT posted on 10/01/2012 03:39 PM
    goodbye Vancouver Island, I love you but can't afford you thanks to BC ferries
    1. RayF_3844 posted on 10/01/2012 05:59 PM
      @KatyT WILSON come back, please come back !
  11. brianp1950 posted on 10/01/2012 06:13 PM
    Lets see, ICBC 11.5% increase, Hydro 7%, BC Ferries 12% over 3 years plus cuts coming, Carbon tax, HST still in place, on and on, good thing the NDP are not in power raising the debt and increasing all these rates.
  12. joes_2868 posted on 10/01/2012 11:54 PM
    Victoria to Port Angeles is $17.00 U.S. one way for passenger and $61.50 U.S. vehicle and driver one way. Sidney to Anacortes if $18.00 U.S. one way for passenger and $38.35 U.S. one way for vehicle and driver. Prince Edward Island to Nova Scotia is $17.00 per passenger round trip and $66.00 round trip for vehicle and driver. New Brunswick to Nova Scotia is $42.00 per passenger one way and $84.00 for vehicle one way. The ferry in Ontario is $16.25 for passenger one way and $44.00 for vehicle one way. In Newfoundland there are two ferry routes. One is $40.76 for passenger one way and $146.41 for vehicle one way. Fuel surcharge is included. The other is $107.85 for passenger one way and $216.78 for vehicle one way. Fuel charge is included.
  13. joes_2868 posted on 10/02/2012 08:36 AM
    Phil_2: UNBELEIVABLE! Firstly, the race in life is a long one. It is only with yourself. Secondly, your chances in life are only at half mast, so is everyone elses. Thirdly, walking out of the doctors office with a terminal disease, your hip pocket cannot do nothing for you.
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