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Study finds transit fare gates don't curb crime
VANCOUVER/CKNW(AM980)
Janet Brown | Email news tips to Janet
1/31/2013

Fare gates on public transit systems have very little impact on fare evasion, crime and public disorder.

That's the finding of a study carried out by Criminologist Darryl Plecas at the University of the Fraser Valley.
 
Plecas says while the introduction of turnstiles and fare gates is perceived by the public as a panacea to deal with fare evasion it's really not the answer.
 
He also says there is little data to suggest the gates have a measurable impact on crime and/or public disorder.

"These gates are very expensive to install and when you look at how long it takes to get the payback from what you lose on fair evasion i think that at least some people conclude that at the end of the day they certainly don't pay for themselves."
 
The study - which cost five-thousand dollars - was commissioned by Transit Police whose role is already being questioned once the fare gates come in.
 
The first fare gates on Skytrain and Canada Line are expected to up and running in the fall. 


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  1. JohnS_4384 posted on 01/31/2013 10:03 PM
    Which is exactly why they need more Transit Security, versus Transit Police.
    1. MarkH_4 posted on 02/01/2013 04:23 PM
      @JohnS_4384 The Lower Mainland shares many intergrated police services including Homicide,Dog,Clan Lab,Explosive Disposal,Emergency Response Team.
      Why not an intergrated Transit Police Team?

      Of course Ann Drennen would have to live on just one pension
  2. Vancouver Sucks posted on 01/31/2013 11:06 PM
    "He also says there is little data to suggest the gates have a measurable impact on crime and/or public disorder."

    Wow, let's give you an award! NO KIDDING! The problem is NOTHING here is punished correctly! Criminals etc get a free ticket to ride (pun intended) for every crime they do. Time for punishment to really HURT so it becomes the deterant!
  3. lican posted on 02/01/2013 05:55 AM
    I guess the transit police had to commission the study because they were to busy leaving bombs on planes.This whole system just seems too cartoonish. They actually seem afraid of enforcing anything on the system. There is absolutely no expectation that you have to follow any rules on transit and thats the problem. I know some one is going to say that you cannot change the publics behaviour through legislation but think about seat belts. There was a time people use to cut the seat belts out of their car because they considered them a nuisance but you'd be hard pressed to find people not wearing them nowadays.
    We have to get back to enforcing the rules for the good of the system and create in the public's minds eye an expectation of having to follow the rules.
  4. rclr posted on 02/01/2013 06:30 AM
    The real answer may not be turnstiles, but clearly the current system with fare-checkers, transit security, transit police - even those people in green vests at Canada Line platforms giving people directions - is not working. Just ride a bus any given day and watch how many people don't pay. More importantly, watch the attitude of those people - they don't pay because they know they don't have to - there is no penalty to them if they don't pay.

    You never hear of anyone getting on an airplane, a train, a BC Ferry, a Greyhound bus - even a ride at the PNE - without having paid their fare. How do they do that? Enforcement plain and simple - no ticket, no ride. This concept needs to be reinforced in the public transit system.
  5. FrankM_7944 posted on 02/01/2013 08:19 AM
    Transit police cost THRITY MILLION a year, and for what? They don't curb crime or stop it, or even investigate it.

    Time to dis-band the Transit Police, and hire more Transit Security.
    Transit Security are now allowed to check fares, so why are we paying Transit Police wages at over a hundred grand a year?

    And if you call 911, Transit Police Dispatchers do NOT take 911 calls,
    So when riding Transit if you call 911, the call goes to the local police of the City you are riding in! And obviously if Transit Police have to attend a crime, they have to get to the scene via Transit, which is not even close to as quick as a local police officer.

    "rclr" 's comment above mine, says the rest, and I TOTALLY AGREE!
  6. AndreaK_5056 posted on 02/01/2013 08:21 AM
    Well that's convenient for the overpaid, transit "police." And I don't buy it. The transit police and their ridiculous costs need to go buh-bye. There are cameras and over-paid attendants already monitoring the stations, and once the gates are operational, problems will drop because it will be that much more difficult for the low-lifes to access the trains & stations.
    1. Ken280 posted on 02/01/2013 11:54 AM
      @AndreaK_5056 I recall a public outcry for more police attendance on Skytrains. TransLink was firsted replaced with Special Provincial Constables, who held limited policing power. Transit Police constables have full police powers both on and off of TransLink property. The Liberal government made this happen. Now you people do not like the costs of the police and you have the audacity to single out the workers on Skytrain of being over paid who are you people who think the young men and women(attendants) working on any job are not worth more than minimum wages? Talk about going backwards as prices everywhere continue to rise and soon we will have just a work force of the working poor,why? Is it just ok for you Liberal/cons of the coalition and your kids that are entitled to make all the living wages in BC?The problems will not drop as you say the low-lifes they will hide and wait for opportunities as people come out of the skytrains. Translink security will not have the authority(under the criminal code to arrest or stop anyone not on translink property.As for the one who championed and fought hard for greater security presence on translink was Adrian Dix! Go NDP Go
  7. KenS_33 posted on 02/01/2013 11:43 AM
    Of course this study shows that the fare gates will not work. HELLO it was paid for by the Transit Police. They don`t want anything that might jepradize their hold on the policing of transit or hiring more high priced union members. Give me a break.
  8. JanelleJ posted on 02/01/2013 11:57 AM
    We pay thirty-million a year for the Transit cops.

    Get rid of them, and the fare gates are totally paid for in three years!

    And just imagine how much more money having the gates will collect, compared to the hundred grand a year useless Transit cops!
  9. joes_2868 posted on 02/01/2013 01:42 PM
    Ken280: The readers consultant, a man with a briefcase 50 miles away from home.

    49% plus of the popular vote needed with not enough time left before the election.

    Remember your temper equals Lions Gate Hospital.
    1. Ken280 posted on 02/01/2013 06:23 PM
      @joes_2868 Anyway you fans of Bill Good and Keith Baldrey and Vaughn Palmer at 10am need to listen,go to Keith Baldrey the audio vault! All about Adrian DIX,You might be enlightened, Thumper Joe! Go NDP Go
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