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Teachers union, minister at odds over state of bargaining
VANCOUVER/CKNW (AM980)
Shane Woodford | Email news tips to shane.woodford@corusent.com
11/15/2012

A month after Premier Christy Clark said she wants to try and come to terms on a new ten year deal with BC's teachers there are conflicting reports on what progress, if any, is being made. 

When asked if the province has made any effort to get bargaining talks going, BCTF president Susan Lambert said "No, we have been asked to...we were asked to a meeting on bargaining structures which is completely distinct from the content of a collective agreement but it was on process we have been asked to submit a brief to government on teacher bargaining structures."

Lambert says sorting out bargaining structures and actually bargaining are two different things.

"It is completely separate, the structure of bargaining is completely separate from the process of negotiating a collective agreement. If we have a government that is willing to come to the table and respectfully negotiate a collective agreement  we can do that, we could have done that readily in the last round of bargaining."

But with the deal the teachers just agreed to with the BC Government expiring in June, Lambert says the clock is ticking. 

"Absolutely, it should start now in my view."

However Education Minister Don McRae says the first steps have already been taken. 

"We are stil in the consultation phase we are making sure to reach out to the BCTF, school trustees, the principals, vice-principals, and parents in fact I am meeting with the BCTF, I believe, in the very near future and we want to make sure that we see if there is an opportunity to have a long term deal for all party's involved it is good for the students, it is good for the teachers, it is good for parents we have to give it our best efforts."

McRae says first priority is fixing bargaining itself. 

"It comes down to what the stakeholders believe are the barriers that have happened in contract negotiations in the past and that is what I am looking forward to hearing from especially grouops like the BCTF, and the Trustees Association, you know are there things the government can do better, are there things that those individual groups can do better to make sure we get a deal done."

McRae says he is aware the window is narrow to get bargaining underway and a possible ten year deal done. 

"You know what I would like to have something done, or in process before the election if possible there are a whole bunch of pieces that government maybe has to do and some things take time whether it is writing legislation or making structural changes and maybe for the other groups the same thing the key thing is are we moving forward  are we trying to make the system, bargaining system, for all party's involved."

He says other unions have managed to constructively bargain contracts with the province round after round, so why not the teachers.


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  1. AnneH_4 posted on 11/15/2012 08:35 AM
    You cant win with the BCTF - a truly vicious Union.

    When teachers became unionized I lost all respect for them. They are interested in their pocket books only - they could care less about the children they are teaching and I use that term loosely.

    Children today are not taught. They are being indoctrinated with socialistic principals hence discouraging any kind of free thinking.
    1. michael_4092 posted on 11/15/2012 09:05 AM
      @AnneH_4 What a stupid comment!
      To say they ALL are interested in their pocketbooks only makes you today's moron.

      If the teachers don't worry about their wages, WHO WILL? Christy Clark?
      Haaaaaaaaahahahhahahahahahahahah

      MORON!
  2. joes_2868 posted on 11/15/2012 09:34 AM
    michael4092: The Nova Scotia teachers federation has a NDP provincial government. They too are all mixed up just like the Susan Lambert bunch out here. In Nova Scotia, the teachers went to the street protesting to have the NDP minister of education resign. The NDP premier said that would never happen and he said live with the present situation. The present situation exists world wide. Does not matter if these well educated people live on the west or the east coast, they still have not realized that walking out of a doctor's office with a terminal disease that their hip pocket will not save their lives. When it comes to the service industry, employees have a standing joke and that is, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TEACHER AND A CANOE? CANOE'S TIP!
  3. RoseH_1028 posted on 11/15/2012 09:54 AM
    I totally agree with you Anne. For some reason or an other and more than any other group teachers seem to have a sense of entitlement. I think they are already overpaid. If you can't get into medical school, or law school or engineering you can always become a teacher. Not in every case but in a lot of cases so the profession doesn't necessarily attract the brightest. Perhaps this is why they seem to have a chip on their shoulder.
    My grandkids go to private school and what a difference. It seems like these teachers are there for the love of teaching.
    The BCTF doesn't understand what no money means. Don't put a new roof on Bc Place. Give the money to us. It is all about them. I don't believe there Is a more narcissistic bunch.
    1. AnneH_4 posted on 11/15/2012 10:01 AM
      @RoseH_1028 I am sure that if many parents could afford it they would send their children to private school. I was visiting one in Calgary - the Weber Academy - The kids were great and the teachers cared - Yes Rose, there is a big difference. The fellow who called me a moron did not really respond to my comment - he just threw names out - and he just talked about the money so I think I know where his priorities sit
  4. Ron_26 posted on 11/15/2012 10:03 AM
    Ms Lambert says "...the structure of bargaining is completely separate from the process of negotiating a collective agreement." Yup. You need one so the other one works. Duh.
    I really think she doesn't want anything to succeed.
    1. DougF_4971 posted on 11/15/2012 10:22 AM
      @Ron_26 If you read the article carefully, you'll see that both Ms. Lambert and Minister McRae are saying the same thing. The structure of the bargaining process needs to be fixed/agreed upon before any bargaining can begin.

      The title of this article is completely wrong. It's apparent Shane Woodford is attempting to mislead the readers.
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