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Vancouver's Mayor wants immediate action for film and TV sector
VANCOUVER/CKNW(AM980)
Shane Woodford | Email news tips to shane.woodford@corusent.com
1/29/2013

The Mayor of Vancouver wants the provincial government to make immediate changes to keep film productions from leaving town.

Gregor Robertson says the provincial tax credit system needs to be adjusted to match those in other provinces.
 
Robertson has tabled a motion callng for a letter to be  written to the premier and the prime minister on the issue.

"I have had some back and forth with the province over the last couple fo years and was able to speak with the leader of the opposition the other night because they've clearly signalled they want to do something but at this point we need to see action in the very near term."
 
Robertson says Vancouver will bear the brunt of the lost jobs and revenue if TV productions leave town.

 


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  1. AndreaK_5056 posted on 01/29/2013 01:40 PM
    Stop building bike lanes, moonbeam, and use that money for the film industry.
  2. joes_2868 posted on 01/29/2013 01:42 PM
    Yeah right Gregor! Come April 1, 2013, film companies in B.C. can no longer claim the PST in their tax rebates, only the GST, because Bill Vanderzalm, Adrian Dix, and the B.C. taxpayers wanted to get rid of the HST.
    They can still claim it in Ontario.

    I guess this stupid comment from you is what you learned when you served your apprenticeship under Carole James.

    UNBELIEVABLE, AS TAXED TO DEATH WOULD SAY!
    1. Ken280 posted on 01/29/2013 03:24 PM
      @joes_2868 They are crying now because of what, not paying any Taxes at all did they pass on all the saving having the HST since 2009?Listen to the Liberal/Cons of the coalition all studying under Christy the milf! that is how !
      “Corporate Tax Freedom Day,” by the Canadian Labour Congress’s calculation, arrived February 1. On that day, Corporate Canada had paid the equivalent of all the taxes that would be imposed on it this year by all levels of government.

      You can argue with the CLC’s methodology and its larger agenda of income equality for Canadians. But the calculation is long overdue. As we prepare this month for individual tax time, it’s helpful, finally, to have a comparison with the “Tax Freedom Day” that right-wing groups have been using for generations to accuse government of dipping too deeply into our pockets.

      For Canadians, this year’s supposed Tax Freedom Day will arrive in June. That’s when, according to this 64-year-old conceit of right-wing anti-government types, we will have earned enough income to cover our total annual government tax bite.

      The TFD concept is nonsensical, of course. And that’s putting aside the dubious methodology employed by the Fraser Institute, the nest of right-wing vipers who are the TFD’s local branch plant. The concept originated with a Florida businessman, Dallas Hosteler, who sold the U.S. rights to his concept to the Koch brothers- and ExxonMobil-funded Tax Foundation in Washington, D.C.

      The TFD is unquestionably a valuable franchise, putting the once obscure Fraser Institute on the map, and ditto the Adam Smith Institute in Britain. They each garner headlines with their annual TFD calculations from a credulous news media that invest them an intellectual integrity that isn’t there.

      Implicit in the TFD notion is that Big Government’s money grab is funds you’ll never see again.

      That certainly was the case in feudal times, with crops you were made to surrender to the gentry. And it applies today in Burma, Zimbabwe, Syria and other nations run by thugs.

      But in Canada, your tax dollars enable you to focus on family and work while a portion of your income, employed by government (“diverted,” as the anti-taxers have it) finances the provision of essential services we can’t make available on our own.

      These include the obvious: national and civil defense; the criminal-justice system; natural-disaster relief; and a civic infrastructure of public works in disease control, fresh-water provision, state-funded education and training, and first-class roads and airways without which Walmart stores, FedEx Corp. and Amazon.com would perish. That these outfits seldom credit the public for its largesse on their behalf is a matter to be settled in the afterlife.
  3. WilliamS_3961 posted on 01/29/2013 02:24 PM
    As Vancouver will bare the brunt of the job loss it seems it would behoove Gregory to forward some money to Victoria to off-set the tax loss to the Province. And the money could come from all these money making "Urban Farms" Gregory has on the table now !!
  4. JimP_5079 posted on 01/29/2013 03:02 PM
    I am sure the Premier will listen to an ex NDPer.
  5. Cin_3294 posted on 01/29/2013 03:05 PM
    Typical Gregor, jumps on whatever trendy bandwagon comes along. Without contributing anything to an actual realisitc plan. I believe the film industry situation should be addressed, but expect more relevant input from someone in the position of mayor.

    While I'mon the topic of our mayor - just how much investment in bike lanes will produce a realistic return on investment? It rains in our city abotu 8 months of the year, we will never be a mass cycling city. Maybe the funds would be better invested in more buses and skytrian cars, so that we can actually get on them in the morning & evening without standing and watching 5 or 6 go by too full to take on any more passengers? Then EVERYONE would have access to better commuting options.
    1. MichaelD_10 posted on 01/30/2013 02:27 PM
      @Cin_3294 So what if it rains? If you ride a bike you will sweat. You are going to be wet, raining or not. The bike lanes are the best thing Robertson has done. Check with the folks that live where the bike lanes have been put in. Not the businesses. stores that sell cigarettes will sell less along bike routes. However other stores will find things cyclist wish to buy.
  6. JamesT_12 posted on 01/29/2013 03:23 PM
    Of course he wants the film industry here so he can hang our with his relatives.

    Check out his ears!!

    He's either a Munchkin from The Wizard Of Oz or maybe related to Spock!!
  7. Ken280 posted on 01/29/2013 03:30 PM
    This is a continuation for TAX freedom for Corporations:
    “Corporate Tax Freedom Day” arises from a non-partisan belief in the panacea of corporate tax breaks. The governments of Jean Chrétien, Paul Martin and Stephen Harper steadily lowered the corporate tax rate from 28 per cent in 2000 to 15 per cent as of Jan. 1, 2012. The stated goal has been to free up corporate profits for greater economic vitality and job creation.
    Misplaced enthrallment with tax breaks as a come-on to foreign investment first appealed to governing Liberals mesmerized by Ireland’s “economic miracle” of the early 2000s, arising from Dublin’s experiment with the lowest corporate tax rates in Europe. But by the end of that decade, an insolvent Ireland was among the first of the European Union members requiring a bailout from its EU partners.
    This particular form of corporate welfare has come at a high cost to everyday Canadians. Corporate tax receipts reached $30 billion in fiscal 2010-11, a mere 20 per cent increase over the average of 2002-05.
    The Canadian economy grew by more than 88 per cent during that period. If corporate tax revenues had increased in tandem, we’d have $17 billion in additional funds Ottawa has chosen to forsake with which to close our deficit, social justice and infrastructure gaps.
    So what does Canada gain from leaving that $17 billion on the table, and for the lowest corporate tax rate among the G-7 nations? (The U.S. rate is 35 per cent.)
    Our business leaders themselves continue to bemoan the laggard productivity of Canada’s private sector, which stubbornly refuses to invest in the best-trained workers and most efficient machinery. Corporate R&D spending in Canada is embarrassingly meager. And the $17-billion windfall is not being spent on job creation.
    More than 1.4 million Canadians are jobless amid a supposed Canadian economic recovery, 400,000 more than pre-recession 2008. Instead, the massive tax break is being spent on CEO pay hikes, stock buybacks, higher dividend payouts, and cash hoarding.
    Since Harper accelerated the corporate tax giveaways, Hershey Co. has closed its three Canadian manufacturing plants. Siemens Canada Ltd. shuttered its century-old gas-turbine plant in Hamilton. Ford Motor shut down its auto-assembly plant in St. Thomas, Ont. And last month Caterpillar Inc. ended more than a half century of locomotive manufacturing in London, Ont.
    If deep-discount taxes are a magnet for foreign investment, why are Siemens and Caterpillar relocating their former Canadian operations to the comparatively high-tax regime of the U.S.? (In Charlotte, N.C. and Muncie, Ind., respectively.)
    It doesn’t take a tree-full of owls to figure out why defectors are leaving. They’re engaged in a race to the bottom on wage costs, not tax levels. America is becoming the world’s newest sweatshop economy, where the likes of Caterpillar and Ikea are building plants in low-wage, non-union states and paying less than half the labour costs that apply in Canada.
    A sensible industrial policy would reserve the lowest tax rates for companies that create high-skill jobs in Canada. That invest in R&D and made-in-Canada innovations. And that reduce our export reliance on the U.S. by cracking global markets elsewhere.
    Instead, a $17-billion gift that has to be made up by everyday Canadians is showered indiscriminately, much of it on the likes of “Canadian” firms in our branch-plant economy that are glorified warehouse operations for their offshore parents.
    As economic stimulus ideas go, it would be more effective for Ottawa to place skids of $20,000 in cash on street corners in distressed neighbourhoods. People struggling to make ends meet don’t hoard cash but promptly spend it on necessities like rent, food and children’s clothing. And not having private jets and executive dining rooms to write off as a business expense, such folks among us actually pose less of a financial burden on society than a great many CEOs.
    1. StephenG_3 posted on 01/29/2013 08:44 PM
      @Ken280 Well not quite. In the first place there needs to be a balance between taxation and business enterprise. The greater the taxation to enterprises just means greater cost to the consumer, plus, the likely hood of lessor employment.

      In the last several years, the ability to maintain, attract enterprises in and to Canada has been difficult, as it has for the United States, the EU Japan, and other nations. Clearly if nobody wants to purchase your product, then production of, and employment of workers will suffer. The world is now in its fifth year of what will be defined as a major world wide recession. We still not out of the woods yet. The EU is in the doldrums, Australia is at a reduced capacity, Canada is still gaining but at a lessor rate, the US is recovering very slowly, things will not be back to normal for some time.

      Given that, it makes no sense to further penalize existing enterprises with greater taxation nor the people with new burdens of taxation. Certainly not until the world economic fragility is normalized.

      The NDP believe otherwise as does their cheer leader the CCPA plus a bunch of Labour Unions. Unfortunately they are wrong. Now is NOT the time to increase any taxes or indeed invoke new expensive government programs. Now is the time to take stock and prepare for a retooling of the entire economy, including new markets.
  8. HJDH posted on 01/29/2013 03:50 PM
    The film industry is blackmailing this province into tax concessions. What industry is next? BC needs to collaborate with Ontario and other Provinces for consistent tax treatment. There is otherwise no end to the backmail.
    1. speakup posted on 01/30/2013 01:20 PM
      @HJDH JUST ANOTHER FAKE n BAKE industry that instead of changing and updating with the ever changing world and all it entails - it whines and wants handouts!

      The music industry tried this whine and dance - and finally realized if you cant beat em - think of a new way to take their money - tada - itunes!
      and they all lived happily ever after.......
  9. joes_2868 posted on 01/29/2013 03:55 PM
    Ken280: 49% plus! You actually did some research work!
    1. MichaelD_10 posted on 01/30/2013 02:33 PM
      @joes_2868 The man with a brief case 50 miles from home must be cut and pasting,I know this because he is using whole sentences.
  10. KerriW_9487 posted on 01/29/2013 04:16 PM
    Oil, gas, logging, mineral exploration and mining are all successful in BC due to the tax credits, which are mostly more lucrative than what film currently receives, and that keeps them competitive on the global market. People don't realize that these industries receive these tax credits because they have ministries which work for them. DO YOUR RESEARCH PEOPLE!
    1. speakup posted on 01/30/2013 01:22 PM
      @KerriW_9487 the ohter REAL industries you mention - have REAL jobs and most likey FULL TIME

      the movies are hobby and glamour jobs!
      What do the REAL movie jobbers do inbetween the far and few movies? Do you let them and eat live with you?
  11. KarenM_6168 posted on 01/29/2013 04:50 PM
    To BC taxpayers: The $285 million film and TV tax incentive is a REBATE not a subsidy. Until two years ago, about $1.2 billion in revenue was generated annually which meant the industry injected almost $1 billion into the provincial economy every year. Because the current Government has refused to remain competitive with other provinces, most productions no longer shoot in BC which has slashed revenue to PRACTICALLY NOTHING and created massive unemployment. Understand that BC taxpayers are NOT SAVING $285 million. You are in reality LOSING the nearly billion dollars of taxable revenue that was invested in the local economy every single year.
    •Supports 25,000+ quality jobs – well paying knowledge based, equity employment;
    •The production industry contributed on average 1.1 billion dollars in production spending annually for the past decade – that is new money – to the BC economy over the past decade, not including ancillary spending and economic spin off to regional and municipal governments and to other sectors such as hospitality/tourism, and the multitude of small to medium-sized businesses that supply motion picture production in BC;
    •The total contribution to the BC economy since the incentive program started is $14.3 billion;


    •The total investment (tax credit) from the BC Government since the incentive program started is $1.5 billion, approximately 10%;


    •According to the Income Taxation Branch the highest tax credit paid out to date 2011-2012 was $219 million;


    •Over 1 billion dollars of private investment in industry infrastructure;
    •24 post secondary institutions offering internationally recognized industry education & training for the next generation of production professionals;
    •Cornerstone of BC’s creative economy worth a combined $4 billion GDP (making it the fifth largest sectors in the province), representing 85,000 jobs (making it the second largest industrialized sector)*;


    •The creative economy is growing at a faster rate than the economy as a whole*;


    •Green conscious industry sector with a light footprint on the environment;


    •Has created a high profile for British Columbia worldwide, widely benefitting the hospitality and tourism sector;


    •BC’s production community is generous and supportive of local arts, education, youth and social causes. Examples: MPPIA annual giving to the Vancouver Food Bank, $10,000+ a year since 2007; more than 20 years of routine and holiday season outreach from across the industry on the downtown eastside; Habitat for Humanity; A Loving Spoonful, AIDS Vancouver to name only a few.

    All of us in the film industry are tax payers and have family and payments ...
    please help us all,and support SaveBCFilm
  12. joes_2868 posted on 01/29/2013 05:42 PM
    KarenM_6168: Come April 1, 2013, no longer can claim the PST as a rebate credit, in B.C.
    Still can in Ontario.
  13. joes_2868 posted on 01/29/2013 06:03 PM
    Ken280: The readers consultant, a man with a briefcase 50 miles away from home.
    Just a reminder Ken, if you keep doing research before barking like you did today, you can avoid ever having to go to LION'S GATE HOSPITAL over NDP created health issues.

    Now only if your buddies, TAXED TO DEATH AND BCTAXPAYER start doing research, the readers won't have to call you the 3 stooges like that of Glen Clark, Dan Miller, and Ujjal Dosanjh.

    Keep up the good work Ken, but a lot of work needed to get that 49% plus.
  14. StephenG_3 posted on 01/29/2013 09:03 PM
    Our $285 million gift to the film industry is more than satisfactory.

    Roads and infrastructure in other parts of the Province, other than Greater Vancouver should now be a priority. Greater Vancouver has had a kick at the Federal and Provincial funding pot for too long!
    1. KarenM_6168 posted on 01/29/2013 09:25 PM
      @StephenG_3 I dont believe you read what I posted correctly....
      The $285 million in tax credits is given back to the productions ..
      After they have put in $1.2 billion in revenue that was generated annually which meant the industry injected almost $1 billion into the provincial economy every year
      And generates over 25,000 jobs directly in the film industry...and over 85,000 jobs in spin off companies that supply the film indiustry...
      And we're all tax payers as well...We just want to work StephenG and to be able to support all of our families...just like you..
    2. KerriW_9487 posted on 01/30/2013 07:53 AM
      @StephenG_3 StephenG_3 PLEASE READ THIS. The $285 million would not exist if the film industry didn't bring that revenue in in the first place.

      To BC taxpayers: The $285 million film and TV tax incentive is a REBATE not a subsidy. Until two years ago, about $1.2 billion in revenue was generated annually which meant the industry injected almost $1 billion into the provincial economy every year. Because the current Government has refused to remain competitive with other provinces, most productions no longer shoot in BC which has slashed revenue to PRACTICALLY NOTHING and created massive unemployment. Understand that BC taxpayers are NOT SAVING $285 million. You are in reality LOSING the nearly billion dollars of taxable revenue that was invested in the local economy every single year.

      I'll tell you what your tax money IS paying for. A blatant political stunt of bringing Indian awards show to gain the Indo-Canadian vote at the cost of $11-18 million dollars of taxpayer money. And Christy's 15 million dollar ad campaign. That's also your money.
  15. commonsense posted on 01/29/2013 11:13 PM
    Okay, here's my action Moonbeam. Come to Surrey. Bye bye Vancouver!
  16. Jartann posted on 01/30/2013 10:44 AM
    @KarenM_6168: I am rather dubious about your numbers but your argument could be duplicated for every industry. A tax "rebate" is a subsidy if it is not available to all industries and taxpayers. So, the solution here really would have been to keep the HST and to keep tax rates low. What the NDP likes is to go back to the invesment killing PST, raise taxes, and then give tax breaks to favoured industries and groups who can take their cards and go eisewhere. Everyone else, being sitting ducks, just pay up.
  17. KarenM_6168 posted on 01/30/2013 04:02 PM
    To clarify, the tax incentive program is not a subsidy paid for by the taxpayers. The government does not give money to production companies to operate.

    It is a 33-per-cent labour only tax incentive. At the conclusion of business, a production company adds up the taxes taken off the employees that have worked on the production that are B.C. residents (who must provide identification to verify they are indeed B.C. residents), and claims that to the provincial government. The provincial government then gives 33 per cent of those taxes back to the production company.

    To be clear, this is a tax incentive program for production companies to hire B.C. residents. So essentially, it is we in the film industry who pay for the tax incentive program with cooperation from the provincial government.

    What we are lobbying for the government to do is reassess the tax incentive program to make it more competitive with Ontario and Quebec, which raised their tax incentive programs a few years ago to a 25-per-cent coverall tax incentive.

    By doing so, any action the B.C. provincial government takes will come at no cost to the taxpayer. It just means the government will be giving back a little more to the production companies, but keeping thousands of film industry workers off Employment Insurance, and having 30-40 per cent of their paycheques taxed again....And bringing in over $1 billion anually into our BC economy..
    I'm proud to be part of a green industry that employs over 25,000 directly in the film indusrty and so many more 1,000's in spin off business and companies that supply the film industry..
    We dont want a "hand out" we just want an even ,or close to even playing field with Ontario and Quebec,,,
    We just want productions to come back to BC so we can all go back to work

    Please watch

    http://youtu.be/N6xvwJY3R9w
  18. speakup posted on 01/31/2013 10:04 AM
    to ALL you movie industry people posting here:

    Just want ot point out the OBVIOUS
    You are being BAMBOOZLED

    California is the MOVIE CAPITAL MOST millionaires/billionares -
    most made there BIG BUCKS on the backs of movie hobby workers.
    YET - Californais is BROKE!! BIG TIME BROKE

    SOooooooooo - if littel ole few movie BC gets BILLIONS of revenue injected
    THEN PLEASE tell me what happened to the MOVIE CAPITAL of California

    My suggestion for work in BC.....
    Try another REAL industry
    1. KerriW_9487 posted on 01/31/2013 11:57 PM
      @speakup Funny, because that is NOT what your producers are PUBLICLY saying. You may not want to hear this but they have outrightly said they want to come here to BC..,but for budgetary reasons choose Ontario or Quebec over BC...and don't forget to look to Louisiana for your gross loss of industry in California as well. Get it straight. I think you're mad at the wrong people here. There are plenty of shows floating around out there...if a a foreign production choose to shoot here in Canada no one twisted their arm and if Louisiana is overly competitive and irresistible to US producers then go yelling at them.
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